by the way, they have more hard news people than msnbc, cnn, and everybody else -- >> sorry, ron, ron, ron, i accept your analysis on benghazi. don't forget also we wouldn't have had the invented simultaneous video feed that they claimed on fox news was occurring and that people in the white house were ignoring. so let's not be entirely disingenuous. >> we don't know because no one in the media will ask the president and hillary clinton -- >> the press spokesman has been asked and they have all said there was no such thing. n nia-malika -- >> where was the president during benghazi? >> let other people contribute. there have been momentous changes going on lately at fox news, especially the departure of reality tv personality sarah palin. let's hear what conservative intellectual david frum says about this. >> who says he's conservative? >> in tandem with the fact that glenn beck is taken off. as they have backed away from hip and other characters -- the whole network is an exercise in going too far but as they retreated from those who went farthest, i think this is a milestone as wel